Thames Ironworks 11:05 Fri Aug 30
The God concept
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The whole concept of God and a higher power, which is all governing and seeing fascinates me. How we can use this concept as a means of control but also as a means of dealing with day to day life.
But is it a concept where there are items we cannot control that govern life, i.e. storms, plague, disease or is it our way of putting a face to the physics we do not understand? Or the most extreme is there a race we are slaves to out in the universe?
I am not religious at all, but I find it interesting and I wonder that if we ever overcome the items we lack control of, whether the concept of God will disappear.
Discuss
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isca hammer
11:18 Fri Aug 30
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Thames Ironworks = Eric Cantona
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Lee Trundle
11:18 Fri Aug 30
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2 things the bore the hell of me are religion and politics.
GOD knows why they're so popular on this West Ham United site.
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goose
11:22 Fri Aug 30
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religion is for the weak who cannot accept that life is a fairground ride - you only get to go around once.
having said that, if it makes you a better person and is used as a way of teaching certain values then good for you.
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On The Ball
11:33 Fri Aug 30
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Many years ago people thought it was the Gods that caused storms, raised the sun etc. Then people evolved and learned things and now no-one really thinks that.
In years to come the concept of a higher being deciding stuff will go the same way, because it's so obviously daft. It absolutely baffles me that anyone can believe in such a thing when we have examples like Luis Enrique's daughter - but then that's probably because I'm just so intelligent.
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Sven Roeder
11:33 Fri Aug 30
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I just don’t understand why God gets the credit for good stuff but not the blame for the bad stuff
God killed Luis Enriquez’s daughter yesterday didn’t he?
The utter cunt
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orwells tragedy
11:45 Fri Aug 30
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If it was illegal for it to be taught until the age of 18 it would die out in a generation.
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the exile
11:55 Fri Aug 30
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Speaking as someone who used to be religious, I still have no doubt that there is a God but wouldn't touch any kind of religion with a barge pole. My take on God is that he is not someone that I can know or understand, let alone have a relationship with. Knowledge is infinite, whereas what I know is infinitely small. So life is a big journey of discovery and if you're not still learning you must be dead inside. I would say that God has pretty much left us to our own devices but put certain laws in place, including karma and reincarnation, but I don't have any hard and fast beliefs on that score.
On another note, I do find that many atheists are the most dogmatic and closed-minded people you are likely to encounter. I was listening to an interview with Derren Brown last night and was interested to hear him say that he has softened his atheism and now sees it as important to be connected to something that's bigger than himself. He of all people would appreciate that there is much in life that cannot be explained by our current understanding of science, and that brings us back to your question, which is whether those things will one day be understood and explained by science or whether there is a God and/or a supernatural dimension.
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On The Ball
11:58 Fri Aug 30
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Karma? Was Luis Enrique's daughter mean to another kid at nursery or something?
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cholo
12:03 Fri Aug 30
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the exile wrote...
"and that brings us back to your question, which is whether those things will one day be understood and explained by science or whether there is a God and/or a supernatural dimension"
No need for the God /supernatural dimension, its a false dichotomy, the concept of God is an unfalsifiable hypothesis and has little or nothing to do with the scientific method.
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BRANDED
12:06 Fri Aug 30
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I’m pretty sure God has little to do with the scientific method.
It doesn’t mean that God can’t exist.
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gph
12:06 Fri Aug 30
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cholo: Golden Oldie just read that and saw:
Torah verse, Torah verse, Torah verse*
*Stormfront-approved translation
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Westham67
12:07 Fri Aug 30
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There is something else and its not a God or a being its called the Universe and we are all minute part of that
Part of Buddhist belief is everything in temporary including your friends and family in 100 years no one will know anything about them and your relationships with them and it will mean nothing
When I weaned my self myself off of some heavy shit prescription meds I had broken sleep for months . I had hypnosis to help me and its similar to meditation. If you go deep into mediation you have no worries no cares a feeling of peace and if that what death holds I wouldn't be too concerned back to where we came from
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cholo
12:07 Fri Aug 30
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I didn't say he can't exist.
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Willtell
12:07 Fri Aug 30
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It is human nature to imagine a higher being is responsible for the things we cannot explain.
It's a shame that mainly illiterate peoples haven't yet discovered the scientific evidence for what we couldn't previously explain so are indoctrinated into believing a higher being is responsible.
Indoctrination is a powerful tool and it should not be permitted in educational establishments imo.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:15 Fri Aug 30
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There's a lot in my life that I don't understand/can't explain.
All that means is that, at the moment, with what I know, I don't understand or can't explain it. Science & education suggests that this could change.
No need for a "god" of any sorts, and even less for an organised religeon.
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the exile
12:43 Fri Aug 30
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Willtell - I totally agree with you about indoctrination being a powerful tool and one which should not be permitted in education, but it is by no means the only reason why many people believe in a higher power.
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Willtell
12:46 Fri Aug 30
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BRANDED 12:06 Fri Aug 30
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I’m pretty sure God has little to do with the scientific method.
It doesn’t mean that God can’t exist.
Yes it does if you accept that god created the world. Because if god created it then why did he do it to scientific principles?
I think you're a Muslim BRANDED so can i ask you this please? If Allah is great why does his side keep losing to the unholy west?
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Willtell
12:49 Fri Aug 30
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the exile 12:43 Fri Aug 30
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"Willtell - I totally agree with you about indoctrination being a powerful tool and one which should not be permitted in education, but it is by no means the only reason why many people believe in a higher power."
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Show me a true believer and I'll show you an indoctrinated person; someone that has suffered traumatic circumstances or despair, or a mental instability.
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Mr Kenzo
12:50 Fri Aug 30
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RELIGION - The biggest killer of mankind
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